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		<title>By: Mathieu</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-226884</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Axel, thanks for using Tegaki. Apparently, tablets cannot be a drop-in replacement for the mouse, which is a problem since Tegaki doesn&#039;t have any built-in support for tablets at the moment. And there&#039;s currently no plan to do it in the near future either since I&#039;m busy with other things.

A user had started some work on tablet support but I don&#039;t know how it turned out. You can see the details on the discussion group:
http://groups.google.com/group/tegaki-hwr/browse_thread/thread/29367f52de462e92

(If you have any further question, please use the discussion group. Thanks!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Axel, thanks for using Tegaki. Apparently, tablets cannot be a drop-in replacement for the mouse, which is a problem since Tegaki doesn&#8217;t have any built-in support for tablets at the moment. And there&#8217;s currently no plan to do it in the near future either since I&#8217;m busy with other things.</p>
<p>A user had started some work on tablet support but I don&#8217;t know how it turned out. You can see the details on the discussion group:<br />
<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/tegaki-hwr/browse_thread/thread/29367f52de462e92" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/tegaki-hwr/browse_thread/thread/29367f52de462e92</a></p>
<p>(If you have any further question, please use the discussion group. Thanks!)</p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-226881</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mathieu,

I am using tegaki as an ibus component under kubuntu on a macbook and It&#039;s working quite well. However, it just doesn&#039;t feel right to enter the characters using a mouse or the touchpad as a substitute for a mouse so I dug up my old Penpower Jr. V usb handwriting tablet to see if tegaki recognizes it as a valid input device. Unfortunately I&#039;m not a techie so I am not sure if there are packages that I can install to make it work but I found out that opening a terminal and typing cat /dev/usbmon0 (also cat /dev/usbmon1) actually produces an output that doesn&#039;t make much sense to me but seems to correlate with me randomly moving the stylus across the tablet&#039;s surface. That means there should be a way to combine it with your input method. Are you planning to write modules for different input devices such as the one I&#039;d like to use or am I even requesting something which has already been taken care of long ago? Even the macbook&#039;s touchpad would be a great input tool if it worked similar to Apple&#039;s &quot;Ink&quot; without puching down the button to write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mathieu,</p>
<p>I am using tegaki as an ibus component under kubuntu on a macbook and It&#8217;s working quite well. However, it just doesn&#8217;t feel right to enter the characters using a mouse or the touchpad as a substitute for a mouse so I dug up my old Penpower Jr. V usb handwriting tablet to see if tegaki recognizes it as a valid input device. Unfortunately I&#8217;m not a techie so I am not sure if there are packages that I can install to make it work but I found out that opening a terminal and typing cat /dev/usbmon0 (also cat /dev/usbmon1) actually produces an output that doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me but seems to correlate with me randomly moving the stylus across the tablet&#8217;s surface. That means there should be a way to combine it with your input method. Are you planning to write modules for different input devices such as the one I&#8217;d like to use or am I even requesting something which has already been taken care of long ago? Even the macbook&#8217;s touchpad would be a great input tool if it worked similar to Apple&#8217;s &#8220;Ink&#8221; without puching down the button to write.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-180104</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! You should talk with LI Daobing, he has already done some work on packaging Tegaki for Ubuntu and Debian, but I don&#039;t think his packages have been officially uploaded yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! You should talk with LI Daobing, he has already done some work on packaging Tegaki for Ubuntu and Debian, but I don&#8217;t think his packages have been officially uploaded yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Rolf</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-180093</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AWESOME!

Man, you really made my day.  I&#039;ve been looking for this for ages and only learnt about tegaki today in #debian-mentors.  I&#039;ll try and help get your work published in Debian and Ubuntu and hopefully openembedded.org as well.

よろしく。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWESOME!</p>
<p>Man, you really made my day.  I&#8217;ve been looking for this for ages and only learnt about tegaki today in #debian-mentors.  I&#8217;ll try and help get your work published in Debian and Ubuntu and hopefully openembedded.org as well.</p>
<p>よろしく。</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-89545</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually my interest is not limited to the Maemo platform. But I think it is important to keep in mind that embedded systems are an important target in order to write algorithms with good performance.

I&#039;m indeed living near Tokyo. You can contact me by private email. My email is mathieu at this domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually my interest is not limited to the Maemo platform. But I think it is important to keep in mind that embedded systems are an important target in order to write algorithms with good performance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m indeed living near Tokyo. You can contact me by private email. My email is mathieu at this domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamakoshi Hiroki</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-89465</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamakoshi Hiroki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very interested in your project, because I wanted to create almost the same project.
My interest is creating a digital note-taking platform( including OS ), as a useful replacement of pens and papers.
Pens(Pencils) and papers are the important device in order to create, process, summarize and reuse one&#039;s thoughts.
But pen and paper has some weakpoints in searching, re-ordering and has phisical restrictions(the paper size).
So, I think it is very useful if a digital device should be paper like.

Your interest is creating a online handwriting recognition application(library) on maemo platform, so your interest and my one is very similar in `online handwriting recogition&#039;.

I know some research papers, so if you don&#039;t know, below may help:

An research using online handwriting recognition based on hidden markov models(in japanese)
www.jaist.ac.jp/library/thesis/is-master-2002/paper/sudotaka/paper.pdf

Online Handwritten Kanji String Recognition Based on Grammar Description of Character Structures(in japanese)
hil.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/publications/download.php?bib=Ota2008PRMU02.pdf

The research is being progressed at Sagayama Laboratory, University of Tokyo.
http://hil.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/index-j.html(in japanese)


By the way, I&#039;m an office worker in Tokyo.
You are now living in near Tokyo(Yokohama?).
How about talking with face to face?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very interested in your project, because I wanted to create almost the same project.<br />
My interest is creating a digital note-taking platform( including OS ), as a useful replacement of pens and papers.<br />
Pens(Pencils) and papers are the important device in order to create, process, summarize and reuse one&#8217;s thoughts.<br />
But pen and paper has some weakpoints in searching, re-ordering and has phisical restrictions(the paper size).<br />
So, I think it is very useful if a digital device should be paper like.</p>
<p>Your interest is creating a online handwriting recognition application(library) on maemo platform, so your interest and my one is very similar in `online handwriting recogition&#8217;.</p>
<p>I know some research papers, so if you don&#8217;t know, below may help:</p>
<p>An research using online handwriting recognition based on hidden markov models(in japanese)<br />
<a href="http://www.jaist.ac.jp/library/thesis/is-master-2002/paper/sudotaka/paper.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.jaist.ac.jp/library/thesis/is-master-2002/paper/sudotaka/paper.pdf</a></p>
<p>Online Handwritten Kanji String Recognition Based on Grammar Description of Character Structures(in japanese)<br />
hil.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/publications/download.php?bib=Ota2008PRMU02.pdf</p>
<p>The research is being progressed at Sagayama Laboratory, University of Tokyo.<br />
<a href="http://hil.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/index-j.html(in" rel="nofollow">http://hil.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/index-j.html(in</a> japanese)</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;m an office worker in Tokyo.<br />
You are now living in near Tokyo(Yokohama?).<br />
How about talking with face to face?</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-87517</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Truls:

Thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate your support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Truls:</p>
<p>Thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate your support.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-87516</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mark:

Thank you for your delightful comment. I wish I didn&#039;t have to waste my time seeing and replying to this kind of comment. However, I think that the only person insulting here is you. Your message is extremist and rude. 

First of all a name is just a name. It&#039;s useful to refer to the project. And the plan is to eventually merge the results of this effort to Tomoe. 

By the way, Tomoe itself is an acronym for Tegaki Online MOji recognition Engine. This is nothing less than three English words and two Japanese words. On top of that, &quot;A tomoe or tomoye (archaic) (巴) is a Japanese abstract shape (i.e. a swirl) that resembles a comma or the usual form of magatama.&quot; (Wikipedia) Hum, I hope you don&#039;t feel too much insulted about that! At least the two Chinese people who contributed the Chinese dictionary of Tomoe didn&#039;t!

Second of all, tegaki means &quot;handwriting&quot;, it doesn&#039;t mean &quot;Chinese character&quot;. As you probably know, Chinese characters are referred to as &quot;kanji&quot; in Japanese and as &quot;hanzi&quot; in Chinese. This is why I didn&#039;t pick &quot;kanji&quot; or &quot;hanzi&quot; for the name of the project.

Third of all, you claim that I&#039;m implying that Chinese derives from Japanese but I explicitly wrote in my message that Japanese kanji come from Chinese! 

Fourth of all, tegaki has a nice sounding. Even people who don&#039;t know anything of Japanese can like it and remember it.

I feel insulted by your message because I love both Chinese and Japanese languages. I&#039;m studying both and I spent quite some time in both countries. Absolutely nobody is in right to tell me that I&#039;m willing to be insulting to any of those languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mark:</p>
<p>Thank you for your delightful comment. I wish I didn&#8217;t have to waste my time seeing and replying to this kind of comment. However, I think that the only person insulting here is you. Your message is extremist and rude. </p>
<p>First of all a name is just a name. It&#8217;s useful to refer to the project. And the plan is to eventually merge the results of this effort to Tomoe. </p>
<p>By the way, Tomoe itself is an acronym for Tegaki Online MOji recognition Engine. This is nothing less than three English words and two Japanese words. On top of that, &#8220;A tomoe or tomoye (archaic) (巴) is a Japanese abstract shape (i.e. a swirl) that resembles a comma or the usual form of magatama.&#8221; (Wikipedia) Hum, I hope you don&#8217;t feel too much insulted about that! At least the two Chinese people who contributed the Chinese dictionary of Tomoe didn&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Second of all, tegaki means &#8220;handwriting&#8221;, it doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;Chinese character&#8221;. As you probably know, Chinese characters are referred to as &#8220;kanji&#8221; in Japanese and as &#8220;hanzi&#8221; in Chinese. This is why I didn&#8217;t pick &#8220;kanji&#8221; or &#8220;hanzi&#8221; for the name of the project.</p>
<p>Third of all, you claim that I&#8217;m implying that Chinese derives from Japanese but I explicitly wrote in my message that Japanese kanji come from Chinese! </p>
<p>Fourth of all, tegaki has a nice sounding. Even people who don&#8217;t know anything of Japanese can like it and remember it.</p>
<p>I feel insulted by your message because I love both Chinese and Japanese languages. I&#8217;m studying both and I spent quite some time in both countries. Absolutely nobody is in right to tell me that I&#8217;m willing to be insulting to any of those languages.</p>
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		<title>By: Truls</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-87125</link>
		<dc:creator>Truls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really happy that work is still being done for japanese handwriting recognition on maemo platform. Keep up the great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really happy that work is still being done for japanese handwriting recognition on maemo platform. Keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2008/07/04/a-roadmap-for-project-tegaki/#comment-86430</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but it&#039;s a real asshat move, and insulting on top of that, to give a Chinese character recognition project a Japanese name. It&#039;s almost as though you are implying that Chinese derives from Japanese, which would be backwards.

Even if you try to solve the problem you&#039;ve gotten yourself into by claiming that you are building a recognizer for Japanese, that&#039;s still wrong. The core problem you are dealing with is Chinese character recogntion, not Japanese. Deal with it as such, without a prissy Japanese project name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but it&#8217;s a real asshat move, and insulting on top of that, to give a Chinese character recognition project a Japanese name. It&#8217;s almost as though you are implying that Chinese derives from Japanese, which would be backwards.</p>
<p>Even if you try to solve the problem you&#8217;ve gotten yourself into by claiming that you are building a recognizer for Japanese, that&#8217;s still wrong. The core problem you are dealing with is Chinese character recogntion, not Japanese. Deal with it as such, without a prissy Japanese project name.</p>
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